This weekend, there was a conference at the University of New Hampshire entitled “Pornography as Sexual Violence.”
http://endpornculture.weebly.com/agendaschedule.html
I was asked by the key organizer to co-present a panel with David Jacobsen at the conference. I titled the session Pornography and LGBT Identities: Documenting Harm, Plotting Resistance. My Power-point presentation was entitled: “From ‘She-Male Sluts’ to Trans-Sister Survivors: Interrogating the Degradation and Sexualization of Transgender Women in the Porn Culture” and I gave it the following abstract:
For a number of years now, a sub-genre of pornography that depicts transgender women, offensively labeled “she-male”, has been gaining in popularity. Like other forms of pornography, “she-male” porn is filled with degrading, misogynistic and racist images that function to further the oppression of transgender women in everyday life. In this presentation, Joelle Ruby Ryan will utilize words and images from this sub-genre of heterosexual pornography to discuss the backlash against feminism, the economic and cultural war waged against gender-variant people, and the ways in which racism, misogyny, homophobia and transphobia in pornography function to preserve the power and privilege of white, presumably-heterosexual, cisgender men. Against the backdrop of this archive of cruelty that celebrates rape, bigotry and abuse, trans-feminism can play a powerful role in fighting for a world which truly values all human beings and that will not stand for the fragmentation and destruction of our sacred sexualities.
Leading up to the conference, I did a Google search for Lierre Keith. I had seen her the previous summer at the Stop Porn Culture Conference in Boston and knew she was attending this conference at UNH. Most of the hits about her concerned her views on veganism, and she has indeed pissed off a lot of vegans! However, I also discovered several troubling articles about her that linked her to transphobic bigotry:
http://veganideal.org/content/questioning-lierre-keiths-transphobia
On a thread here, (http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/vegetarian-myth-lierre-keith/) a poster writes:
“This is a bit off-topic, but I just have to say that I find Lierre Keith’s ties to anti-trans politics troubling in the extreme. Keith is a founding and present member of the Radical-Feminist Lesbian Festival, which is ‘unalterably opposed’ to the existence of trans people. In addition to promoting the anti-trans works of Janice Raymond and Sheila Jeffreys, RadLesFes is explicitly opposed to allowing trans people access to trans-related health care.”
When I told the organizer about this, she reached out to Lierre and they had a discussion via email about this. Here are excerpts from that conversation in Lierre’s own words:
“Well, I’ve personally been fighting about this since 1982. I think ‘transphobic’ is a ridiculous word. I have no strange fear of people who claim to be ‘trans.’ I deeply disagree with them, as do most radical feminists.
Try this on. I am a rich person stuck in a poor person’s body. I’ve always enjoyed champagne rather than beer, and always knew I belonged in first class not economy, and it just feels right when people wait on me. My insurance company should give me a million dollars to cure my Economic Dysphoria.
Or how about this. I am really Native American. How do I know? I’ve always felt a special connection to animals, and started building tee pees in the backyard as soon as I was old enough. I insisted on wearing moccasins to school even though the other kids made fun of me and my parents punished me for it. I read everything I could on native people, started going to pow wows and sweat lodges as soon as I was old enough, and I knew that was the real me. And if you bio-Indians don’t accept us trans-Indians, then you are just as genocidal and oppressive as the Europeans.
Gender is no different. It is a class condition created by a brutal arrangement of power. I can’t fathom how mutilating people’s bodies to fit an oppressive power arrangement is frankly anything but a human rights violation. And men insisting that they are women is insulting and absurd.
There is no such thing as ‘woman’ or ‘man’ outside of patriarchal social relations. These are not biological conditions–they are socially created, by violence in the end. If I can’t be a rich person born in a poor person’s body, then I can’t be a woman born in a man’s body. Not unless you are going to argue that man and woman are biological or essential conditions. The whole point of feminism is that they are neither; gender is social to the roots, and those roots are soaked in women’s blood.
So there it is.
I would highly recommend reading the work that radical feminists have produced critiquing the entire culture of queer, including s/m and porn, that gave rise to the phenomenon of ‘trans.’ Sheila Jeffreys’s books _Unpacking Queer Politics_ and _The Lesbian Heresy_ would be a great start.
[The Trans Community is] in fact deeply misogynist and reactionary when it comes to any understanding of male power. Indeed, they often claim it ‘oppresses’ them to even use the words ‘men’ and ‘women.’ Meanwhile, men are raping and brutalizing women on a mass scale. I hate to say this, but it’s porn culture that really created the whole concept of trans. I watched it happen… for your own edification, you might want to read up on Pat Califia, whom I talk about at length, and whose life and writing proves every point radical feminists make about queer politics, pornography, violence against women, sado-masochism, the eroticization of power and breaking boundaries (including the boundaries of children), and trans. All of it is right there” (italics mine).
So there it is? Umm, so there it ISN’T. Lots of hogwash that belongs back in the 1970s. Needless to say, it is quite obvious from this diatribe alone that Lierre Keith is a transphobe. Since she finds the word so ridiculous, perhaps we can call her a trans-hater instead. Would that pass muster, Lierre? And how dare she put my identity in scare quotes; but in the spirit of tit for tat, I will put her identity “radical feminist” in scare quotes, since my version and vision of radical feminists do not hate an entire group of people due to prejudiced and bigoted assumptions and stereotypes. Keith’s rant is not even remotely original, but an old page out of Jan Raymond’s hate-fest The Transsexual Empire (right down to her ludicrous comparison between transgenderism and race-switching) and Sheila Jeffreys’s bullshit, attention-craving prose. Any one who calls a life-saving surgery (Sex Reassignment Surgery) a “mutilation” is, by definition, a rabid, anti-trans hate-monger, and not someone I wish to have anything to do with. And I love how Patrick Califia somehow becomes a stand-in for all trans people, or somehow emblematic. Because it is so fair to stereotype an entire community based on one individual, right?
Despite this, I decided to go forward with the conference. I thought it would be easy enough to avoid Lierre and her ilk. And I had a project that deserved attention. The feminist critiques of pornography have not been inclusive of looking at images of transgender women, just like they have done little to be inclusive of women of color, gay men and others outside white, heterosexual pornography. As is typical with feminism, the needs of white, able-bodied, cisgender, heterosexual women have been elevated above the needs of all others. In addition, the voices of non-white and non-cisgender critics have been glaringly marginalized in feminist anti-pornography discourse. White cis women (lesbians and heterosexual) and white, straight cis men have dominated anti-pornography discourse for far too long, My experiences both this summer and today don’t hold much promise for this changing, as this is a movement which is utterly uninterested in inviting diverse identities into the fold as they are too obsessed with propagating their narrow, outdated “radical feminist” and “lesbian feminist” ideology rather than welcoming in fresh voices. While Bob Jensen asserted that he and the rad fems are against she-male porn, you would not know it from their writings since they ignore the topic.
Early in the conference, I went to the women’s restroom and found this lovely hate screed next to the toilet in a plastic case:
No Such Thing as a Transsexual By Margaret Jamison
If there are so many males who “just want to change their body,” without regard to gender, then why are they calling themselves “women” after they’ve had themselves chopped up? A mutilated male is a mutilated male. As I’ve said before, if males just want to hack off their penises and shove plastic bags under their pecs, how about they call themselves eunuchs instead of “women,” “transwomen,” and “transsexuals”? How about calling themselves males who wanted to chop off their penises and have it fashioned into a hole?
I get so sick of seeing women defend the “transwomen” they know in real life with reminders that not all “transwomen” want to wear dresses and pantyhose. OK, fine, they don’t want to wear dresses. What does that have to do with the fact that they’re still walking around calling themselves all manner of “woman”?
That is the crazy part. That is what makes them insane. One cannot change sex, and any indulgence of the, yes, insane, notion that they can is anti-female. I don’t give a damn what eunuchs wear or don’t wear. All I care about is whether or not society is actually obliging them in any way by calling them women. They are not women, insofar as ‘woman’ means adult human female, and they never will be.
http://aroomofourown.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/tyranniesaremaleswithdicks/
I took the hate screed down and found another one in its place several hours later. A third copy of this hate speech was found in a bathroom on a lower level. While it is unknown who put the hate flyers there, I will leave you, smart reader, to your own devices to figure it out.
Finding the hate speech flyer was very upsetting. To be honest, I wanted to leave the conference but decided to go through with the session. David and I gave our respective talks and got to the Q&A part. I specifically did not talk about anti-trans feminism during my Power-point talk as I was not interested in “going there.” However, during the Q&A, a person asked about community for David and I as members of the LGBT community who are lodging critiques of pornography. I stated that as a transgender woman, I am caught between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, there is the queer and trans communities, which for the most part are caught up in the whole “sex-positive” or “sex-radical” tradition that tends to celebrate pornography, BDSM and prostitution, while on the other hand the rad fems have a long history of bigoted views of transsexualism and transgenderism dating back to the 1970s, views that sadly have not been updated in 30 years, apparently! Several more questions were answered until the last question, when Bob Jensen decided to launch into a full frontal attack on me as a transgender person. He just had to “challenge” my description of radical feminists and their views on transgender identity. Apparently, I have been mistaken all these years. Their views are not bigoted, nor are they hateful! They are a righteous political critique of transsexuals and our horrible habit of preserving rigid gender roles! Someone pass the puke bucket.
Thanks to Bob, the panel, and really the whole conference, ended on a completely sour note. Despite my best effort to bite my tongue, Lierre and Bob just had to push their HATE-MONGERING agenda. Lierre and Co. had wandered out for most of David and I’s session. But when I confronted Lierre about her rabid bigotry, she and her pals decided to quickly jet. Unfortunately, Bob decided to stay. For what seemed like the next hour (it was at least half an hour) Bob Jensen berated me about my trans identity, transgender issues, sex reassignment surgery, the invasion of “men” into women’s spaces like the Michigan Womyn’s Hate-Fest and the “failure” of transgenderism as a political project. Over and over again, he said that he was neither a bigot nor hateful. It reminded me of the person who says “I am not a racist” and then goes on to say the most incredibly racist things. Bob, you may not think of yourself as an anti-trans bigot, but I certainly do! Can you imagine the outrage if the identity under attack was Jewish, or Gay, or African American? But when is a hate crime not a hate crime? When it happens to a transgender woman, that’s when!
I won’t bore you with the outpouring of hogwash from Dr. Jensen, but I can assure you it was vile and pathetic. I learned that all drag queens are a bunch of horrific misogynists parodying real women, that sex reassignment surgery is a tragic mutilating procedure, and that the transgender movement that I belong to is an utter “failure.” While gay male and transgender politics and communities where raked over the coals, Bob could not wait to strongly defend all facets of 1970s-style “lesbian feminism” . It was a humiliating and grueling experience—having your identity attacked and told that your politics are reactionary and inherently anti-feminist. And when I complained about the oppression of transgender women, Bob informed me that that was not due to radical feminists, but due to the patriarchy. Umm yeah, kind of like when Audre Lorde called Mary Daly out on her virulent racism and she said racism was because of men and patriarchy—a perfect way to eschew taking responsibility for the very real hate that feminists also are responsible for. And, a convenient way to avoid actually transforming feminism to be inclusive of the lives of trans women and women of color. (And yes, the phrase “false consciousness” was ACTUALLY used! Another word I thought had been left to decompose 20 years ago.) I certainly hope Bob has never had any transgender students; I pity them if they have to put up with his obvious ideological bias and never-ending “fountain of undiluted foolishness.”
During the Q&A after the film screening, Bob told a story about an audience who watched the documentary “The Price of Pleasure.” It was made up mostly of people from the porn industry. Bob mistakenly thought they had had a civil dialogue after the film, and seemed genuinely surprised to find Blogs that trashed him and the film in the days and weeks following the screening. I don’t know if he thought our “dialogue” (which was really him using his white, straight, male, cisgender privilege to talk AT us) was either civil or productive; so let me erase all ambiguity: NOT. EPIC FAIL. Sorry, Bob, I am NOT one of your students! I’ve got the same Ph.D. after my name as you, and your hate-filled bullshit did not alter my absolute pride in my transgender identity one iota, nor did it prompt me to think that your ideology, or Jan Raymond’s or Sheila Jeffreys’s, is not 110% WRONG. So thanks for wasting your breath. And though you said you had a “gay past” David and I want you to know that we were queer yesterday, queer today and queer tomorrow; we can’t run headlong into straight male privilege like you so easily can, Bob.
During her history of the anti-pornography movement (much of which consisted of bashing Patrick Califia and feminists who did not toe the line of HER ideology) Lierre Keith stated that there can be no middle ground. And so, the sex wars détente continues unabated. It is precisely this unwillingness to find common ground that means this movement will continue to be dead in the water. And it is precisely this unconcealed hatred of diversity of thought and multiplicity of social identity in this movement that will guarantee its continued failure. With friends like these, who needs enemies? As Dr. Bob goes back to his wife and kid (though he was gay for a “period”), and his religion as a “radical Christian” (so it is possible to be a “radical Christian” but fundamentally impossible to be a transgender woman and a radical feminist. Huh?) , and his work as a tenured professor (although he is not, as he says, an academic; I wonder then what the University of Texas thinks they are paying him for, exactly?) I will also go back to my life: as a transgender individual, as a feminist woman, as a queer person, as a person of size fighting sizeism, as an economically-challenged person, as a first-generation scholar, as a non-tenure track instructor, and as a person who does not use my “radical” politics to shit all over one of the most oppressed, maligned and vulnerable populations in the society.
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Joelle,
I, and many feminists and honest human beings, stand in solidarity with you as a sister and colleague in the quest for truth and peace. We honor who you are as an individual and the IMPORTANT things you contribute as part of a movement to eradicate oppression on ALL fronts, not just those that benefit those with privileges. You and your rightful identities are exactly what we are “fighting” for….. please know that not everyone (and I suspect very few) of those in attendance yesterday support the kind of hate you experienced. We LOVE you and are blessed to have you as our colleague, mentor and sista activist!
LOL Jane
Thank you so much, Jane. I agree that most don’t support these views, but I appreciate you acknowledging that it was indeed hate I experienced yesterday. One of the most insulting parts of this was to tell him again and again that what was being said and the views being supported were experienced as hate and bigotry by the community being so described and treated, and not having that reality respected or acknowledged. Hopefully we can learn from this conference and strategize ways to move forward as feminists and as human beings dedicated to collective liberation for all living beings.
Wow Joelle.
You know, its really too bad. This is exactly the kind of elitist, oppressive attitude that keeps feminism from becoming what it needs to be-a movement for everyone. I’m so sorry that your presentation, the conference and all of this hard work had to end on such a sour note because of two ignorant people who have obviously not done enough work to know anything about what they are talking about.
If we didn’t live in a patriarchal society who knows how gender would be articulated. But in the place and time in which we live, all identities should be honored and all people given the opportunity to express their experience however they feel is valid-isn’t that what feminism is all about?
~bekah hawley
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Bekah: Very well said. It is very sad and shocking that people who claim to be fighting oppression have no problem oppressing a group which does not fit with their “radical” politics. I hope that people will continue to expose their hypocrisy, elitism and exclusiveness. -joelle
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Joelle,
I’m sad to hear that the feminist community sometimes fails as miserably as the mainstream gay and lesbian community. I really do not have much to say besides I’m sorry that this happened to you. It seemed like you handled this better than I would have (I’ll omit what my reaction would be). Take care.
In solidarity,
Michael
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Joelle,
I’m so sorry to hear that you were the object of hate-filled screeds from these faux feminists; I say ‘faux’ because real feminism is about understanding transgender identities as a challenge to the sex/gender binary as the root of all of our oppression. Clearly, neither Lierre Keith nor Margaret Jamison have any understanding of what gender & gender oppression are all about; hate is not feminism and feminism is not hate.
Pauline
Hey Joelle, sorry about your experience. I’ve spoken with Robert Jensen before, and while I didn’t talk to him about transgender/transsexual stuff I thought he’d be more reasonable in disagreement. What a disappointment. (But then it makes sense: Disagreeing over pornography or prostitution is one thing, but it’s hard to disagree about the validity of your identity and not take it personally–because it is necessarily personal.)
Radical feminist anti-porn movement would never succeed on its own for the reasons you point out, but for some reason they are perfectly willing and able to cooperate with the anti-women, anti-feminist Religious Right when it comes to persecuting women working in the sex industry. I really don’t get it.
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I must say, I am bemused their focus on surgery, given surveys that show the incidence of trans womyn with SRS being around 20% (Probably a bit larger as there is a correlation between SRS and stealth having an effect on the sample,) but this non-operative lesbian is sometimes amused, most often irritated, by the focus on surgery both as some means of assimilation, usually by the transphobic but sometimes by those who will say the equivalent of, “and to top it off the degendering was really uncalled for because she was post-op.”
That duckspeak was horrifying and impressive all at once.
All I can say is that man is so full of hatoraid that it makes me sick! I’m not as well spoken (or written) as others, but all I can say is that I am GLAD to have a real woman like you fighitng the good and just fight!
I remember my teenage years as being hellish and hard–puberty is hard to go through. But I could not begin to imagine what kind of a nightmare it would be to go through that during the teenage years especially in the wrong body. If anything I think transgenered woman and men are all the more stronger as human being.
So thank you for all that you do and I am so sorry that hate filled HARRASMENT was hurled at you by that bully. Although I am a straight identified, bisexual, mother –I am very greatful that my fellow transgendered sisters have a great role model like you. Thanks again for all that you do!
~AmaramA
Joelle, thanks for speaking out on the pervasive anti-trans hatred within anti-porn feminism.
That Robert Jensen has a poor handle on his aggressive and domineering manner of lecturing people he disagrees with is not surprising. It was exactly this behavior as self-described by him and Gail Dines in a Z Magazine article that got me to be totally disgusted with Robert Jensen.
Jensen and Dines attempted to force models to engage in discourse where they tell the women working for a porn site that they essentially suffer from “false consciousness” while refusing to actually listen to or believe the women when they disagree and talk from their own lived experience. They also dismiss the women’s interest in disengaging from an insulting and abusive conversation that invalidates and devalues them. For Jensen and Dines, harassing adult models and actresses is “free speech.” Additionally, they go as far as suggesting it is “anti-feminist” for women to resist submitting to some White, cis male’s impositions and entitlement regarding their bodies and sexuality. There is also language in the article that show utter contempt for any models and actresses in the porn industry and for masturbation in general. There is a complete absence of any attempt to empathize with or understand the models, but rather only attempts to impose an abstract narrative of women’s objectification upon them, which in itself is objectification — that is, treating the women as mere objects do to their line of work; objects to be debated and theorized about rather than treated as actual people with agency and self-knowledge.
http://www.zcommunications.org/the-anti-feminist-politics-behind-the-pornography-that-empowers-women-by-gail-dines
Ida: Thanks for alerting me to this article. This is a great example of them bullying someone and imposing their own ideology rather than engaging in a true dialogue to understand the voices and experiences of sex workers. It is totally one-sided–very colonizing and imperialist.
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Hi Joelle,
My name is Julian and I am an intergender male profeminist.
I invite you to participate in this discussion at my blog. I’m posting to other blogs that deal with these issues and the message is virtually the same:
I welcome engaging, healing, constructive, non-misogynistic, non-trans bigoted, pro-feminist discussion on my blog about this:
http://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/2010/11/glee-rocky-horror-picture-show.html
very good, thanks you
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I’ve passed some of your info on in a post at our Myths About the Vegetarian Myth Blog. Thanks for your post here, it’s important and necessary and infuriating and a lot of other things. We stand in solidarity with you as vegans and gender outlaws.
http://vegetarianmythmyth.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/lierre-keith-trans-hatred-veganism-feminism-liberation-a-start/
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Hi Joelle,
I think the conversation is complex, and the tragedy of Derrick is that he needs to heal. Hatred is often a result of injury, and as people know from reading his works, he is a child sexual assualt/insest survivor. Healing often gets inturupted by hatred when gratitude takes a back seat to what gets called “rightousness” I used to identify as a radical feminist women, but have since moved on to my own trans identity, so that I am now a ‘betrayer’ of women. Ha Ha Ha. I could no more lose this feminist stance, than lose my limbs. I too was a survivor of trauma caused by men, but to deny how women have hurt me also, even though they have been oppressed. Life is a lot more complicated than 2nd wave feminism makes it out to be.
I frame it as my life moving into coyote space. that place of translation, where bits and pieces of the truth get lost in movement from one community to another. Translation is just like that. It causes fear where there are boundaries. Boundaries have uses, and they also can cause injury.
No one would say that immune systems are bad, but they are bad metaphores when it comes to hate, but not too horribly far either. So, trickiness is a part of the process, and there is fear here too.
Like life itself, there is this maybe yes, maybe not sort of reality, in fact, there are multiple realities, and in the context of this discussion, there is the reality of war, and the reality of healing. Derrick and Lierre are at war. Understanding this, don’t get involved in the war yourself. Take the time to create health, community, communication, planting back, supporting wild life, cultures other than your own. Looking at and owning privilege and oppressions as both existing in our lives, and not conflating issues.
Thank you for this story as I am looking to see where Trans thinking is leading to a better idea of sustainability. Not sure yet what it looks like, but Transphobia is not it.
Thanks,
Ptery
I can relate to the journey, as I was one of those
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This all seems very sad and hard to understand for a kind hearted trans woman merely trying to get along in the world. For someone to hate me, simply because I have a difficult medical condition is truly baffling. I dont believe I know any one with these ideas and I am quite certain I dont want to. I am equally certain they are evil, in the truest sense of the word and os deserving of the negative karma that inevitably follows unreasoned hate and prejudice. They truly have no value as human beings. So sad they chose this path.
Apologies I typed my email incorrectly. This post has the correct one. The vicious hate related here truly upset me. Dont these so-called “rad-fems” understand that the people they hate so badly are real people with real things and that they detest am entire group of people, with no reason, who mean them no harm and who are often a great danger but only to themselves.
Hi amber,
I know of countless examples of trans-identified people demonstrating willful, purposefully aimed misogyny and anti-feminism at lesbians. From arrogantly insisting on invading lesbian spaces, to disrespecting lesbians interpersonally, I’ve seen it happen and I have read so many accounts of it happening that I really have to challenge, as woefully inaccurate, the statement you make above. Misogyny and anti-lesbianism is flourishing right now in many queer spaces. Gay and bi men have been perpetrating it for decades and more recently far too many trans people do too. Do you doubt that?
I think what you’re saying here is that since some people who happen to be members of a particular community aren’t very nice, it’s fine for you to also not be nice to every single member of that same community. If I’ve read you right, I’m not sure I follow your logic.
Hi Amber,
Thanks for your reply.
I guess what I meant–sorry I wasn’t clearer–was in response to this comment: “Dont these so-called “rad-fems” understand that the people they hate so badly are real people with real things and that they detest am entire group of people, with no reason, who mean them no harm and who are often a great danger but only to themselves.” It seemed like you were passing a judgment on the group who self-identifies as “rad-fems” and I know many, many people who identify that way–some of who are also trans-identified. I think there’s a misconception that all radical feminists are automatically anti-trans. Or that all lesbian feminists are. And that’s not the case, as you note about trans people–there are haters in every group. My point was that I’ve witnessed haters among trans people toward radical lesbian feminists and it’s more than just one or two people. That was the only point I was wanting to make.
Who are you saying is invading lesbian spaces? Because straight trans men tend not to get told they are unwelcome (and flounder around in the lesbian communities they used to belong to until they find their feet, but certainly don’t invade), and lesbian trans women obviously belong in any lesbian spaces that are not based around transphobia.
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As to the topic….
I am a former sex worker and a transfemale. I fully support sex positive attitudes and do not believe that porn is the insideous evil some have made it out to be.
Also….
With the demand for porn that cis males have it would be unwise to make porn illeagal. This would leave a vacum. These men are going to get their porn, even if they have to go through shady providers.
Making porn illeagal will result in even worse abuses against sex workers.
As it is there are some standards in the industry. An illeagal industry does not get regulated.
Very sorry to hear about this. I believe folks like Jensen (the only person mentioned I’m familiar with) are well-intentioned, but are clearly totally off base and are just reinforcing dominant and harmful attitudes. I’m sorry this happened to you, and I hope this situation changes soon.
Hey Joelle,
I’m totally loving the new look here!!!!!!
Is this something you’ve faced often in feminist spaces?
I’ve had some interaction with a few feminist and heavily feminist anarchist groups. It has been rare for me to run into radfems who are so completely ideologically and politically opposed to trans folk (or at least arent vocal about it). But I think i might have a sample-bias here because a lot of these are undergrad orgs whose members are kind of new to feminism. I’m not sure if my experience reflects the larger women’s movement.
It seems like a lot progressive people are opposed to transphobia in the same way they are opposed to homophobia and that we are somewhat benefitted by being lumped in with LGB politics in this way.
Especially among men I’ve noticed that transphobia is seen as something committed by conservative people, the same ones who oppose LGB rights, women’s rights, progressive economic policies, who are racist, support war, and are responsible for all of the evil in the universe. Feminist critiques of us, from people who oppose most of the other conservative agendas. that frame us in their ideology as being part of the oppressive system, are largely invisible.
Whenever I meet an older woman though who is feminist, I get a little scared, and try to figure out if this person will hate me when if come out to them as a transwoman.
Whenever I step into a feminist space, i am always worried about anti-trans feelings. Way more than I am about transphobia in interactions with men. That is usually just straight up prejudice that can be easily, uncontroversally called out as hatred and fear. Women’s criticism are different though so i try to introduce the topic and foster good relations based on having all the information, and do it form a perspective deeply rooted in feminism, so it doesnt become a problem in the future.
So am I too paranoid about this in feminist spaces or is it as common as it appears on the web?
honestly, a lot of women I know are hip to feminist ideas. Many are very suspicious of gender. So earlier trans politics emphasis on gender identity could easily problematize trans folk for many more women than strict adherents radical feminism. It has happened to me with friends before. That plus, bad sterotypes of transwomen in the culture, plus an especially “essentialist” explanation of trans given by someone who isnt like super-aware of the feminist history of trans, plus an introduction to some early anti-trans radical feminism that is really good in some other ways combined may not make someone lobby against trans health care, but it can defintely work to create an unfriendly environment for transwomen in womens spaces, i mean moreso than the typical discomfort with trans bodies already does
so im super careful anyways bc feminism is so important to me and want to be on the same page as other feminists who arent trans
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